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Vol 11  Issue 525     Circulation 5,000     February 15, 2007

Ardmore, Oklahoma


Back in the 1950s my grandfather Stanley Carmon owned a 1958 Ford station wagon something like the one in this picture as best I remember.

1958 Ford Country Sedan station wagon (except ours was yellow)

Below is a scan of the Oklahoma car Title to the station wagon.

http://www.oklahomahistory.net/ttphotos7a/1958StationWagonTitle.jpg

We made several trips to Dallas (actually Mesquite, TX) to pick up paint and wallpaper at the Dal-Worth Paint Mfg Company to sell in his lumber company on 3rd NE.  I remember one school day morning hiding under a tarp on the floor behind the drivers seat and I didn't move until we got way south of Ardmore. When your hiding a minute seems like 30, so I thought we were further down Highway 77 (no  I-35) then we really were. When I did move and say something, my grandfather was pretty mad, but he let me continue on to Dallas with him.

I did a search on the net and found the following advertisement lighter by Dal-Worth Paints.

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/DalWorthLighter7a.jpg

I sure enjoyed riding in that station wagon, and the one thing I remember is it had an Overdrive. Not many vehicles back then had that feature. It was a real gas saver on the open highway. And then on a steep uphill, you didn't have much power. But the station wagon back in my teenage years was a completely different station wagon from the modern day back 100 to 200 years ago. The station wagon was just that, a wagon used to transport people from the hotel to the train station and back.

Chuck Stallcup has been receiving some great responses from many of you offering to help build the overlay for Google Earth with locations of old schools in Carter county. Chuck now has a good start on the project thanks to many of you.  Below is some schools he still needs help in identifying exactly where they were located in the county:

CARTER COUNTY SCHOOLS GOOGLE EARTH PLACEMARKS    2/10/2007 By Chuck Stallcup

The ones listed as ACCURATE are at least within a few hundred yards, so let's leave them alone, for now. Most of the information in italics is from old issues of T&T, and much of that from the Kate Galt Zaneis book of 1923.

These are the ones I have worked on, so far:

Barrett School.              northwest of Berwyn and northeast of Springer

Baum School.         ACCURATE

Berwyn School.            Need exact street location  

Black Jack School.          NO INFO

Blue Ribbon School.             a few miles northwest of Lone Grove. (On Prairie Valley Road?)

Board Tree School.            Township 6 south & Township 5 south - range 2 west - Range 1 west. (I'm guessing that puts it in the Lake Murray area?.)                                                          

Brock School.                ACCURATE   

Bryant School.                southwest of Wilson

Buckhorn School.             ACCURATE

Bunker Hill School.                 a few miles south of Lone Grove   

Cannon School (aka, Russell School).           ACCURATE     

Carter-Humble School.              near Dillard

Cheek School.               Not sure exactly where in the Cheek area it was

Cisco School.                   ACCURATE                       

Clinton School.           Out on the Tishomingo road 6 miles east of Ardmore

Crinerville School.                 ACCURATE           

Enterprise School.             Township 4 south, range 1 west, 1 East

Harmon School.                  in the Tatums school district    

Lone Grove School.               ACCURATE    

Mary Niblack School.          ACCURATE     

Mount Washington School 1923.              ACCURATE     

Mulkey School.                 east part of Carter county   

Nellda School.                CLOSE. on Nellda Road SE of Dickson?

Norris Chapel School       ACCURATE

Plainview School.              ACCURATE

Pleasant Hill School.        about five miles southwest of Ardmore on the Stapleton Highway. About 3 miles south of Plainview.   

Prairie Valley School.     ACCURATE     

Pruitt School.             ACCURATE    (need photo)    

Rose Chapel School.           CLOSE, I think. "southwest of Springer"  "On the east side of the school ground is Henry House Creek" For it to be any south of Springer, it would have to be near the confluence of Henry House and Caddo Creeks. 

Wheeler School.             ACCURATE

So, if you can help Chuck pin point these old schools, send him an email to oldccschools@satx.rr.com

In a couple of 1971 photos in the Mailbag below (sent in by John Gow) I see pigeons resting on top of the Freight Depot. Used to be pigeons all over downtown Ardmore back in those years.  Dont see any today. Makes a person wonder.

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MAILBAG

"Hi Butch, Re: the new Catholic Church in Marietta, the general contractor is our own Bill Fields of Craftco Builders here in Ardmore. You might know his father-in-law, former county treasurer Mike McComber."
http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/MariettaMission7a.jpg

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/MariettaMission7b.jpg

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/MariettaMissionBell.jpg


"Butch, here is a picture of the river bridge on the east side of the Airpark by Annie Conway's place after it had burned, circa 1950.  The man in the cowboy hat is I believe my grandfather Frank Rountree, they were standing on a walking trail made to get across the river.  If you zoom in there is an old Ford pickup on the hill.  The bridge was converted to a Bailey bridge later by the Air Force." -Doug Williams

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/AirparkBridge7a.jpg

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/AirparkBridge7b.jpg


"Butch: Your site is excellent! I operate a site that could be a helpful resource for users of your site: www.storyofmyhome.com.  I'm interested in keeping history alive: every time somebody moves out of a home, they take their knowledge of that home's history with them. I want to capture that history and preserve it for others to use. Come take a look at the site. If you agree with the mission, I'd love to link with your site so that we can give both our user's greater options for their research needs. Thanks!" -Bill Jackson www.storyofmyhome.com

"I live on the property where the Pruitt school house was located. It is about 2 miles East of Ardmore on Gene Autry road, one half mile North of hi-way 199. The corner of Gene Autry and Quail roads. It is on the South side of the Pruitt cemetery. I believe cemeteries and school houses were located next to each other back in the old days. All that's left are two brick columns by the road, a big cellar, and the foundation of the outhouse. I've had most of the other foundations removed. I've been looking for a photo of it for years. Can anyone help? My parents lived here for almost 40 years before I moved here in 2000. My understanding is it burned down around 1929 and was never rebuilt. Apparently it was a brick building and when it burned all the brick were spread out and covered with dirt because any where you dig there are brick. And there are seven acres of it. My friends have had a field day with metal detectors out here. I have a 1903 penny that looks new. Probably some child dropped it while playing. That had to be lots of money back then. Also found some Oklahoma "mills" (1/10 or 1/2 pennys)." -Larry  Caillr@aol.com

"Dear Butch and Jill Bridges: My name is Jerome Benson 78 years old, Chula Vista, CA. Your Oklahoma History awoke me from what I thought was a touch of Alzheimer's.  Suddenly I can recall almost before I was born.  I was raised a mile north of Ravia on a small dried up farm on a dirt road.  When I was not yet in my teens, the Kuykendall family lived just north of us before moving to downtown Ravia.  The Clark Capertons lived a 1/4 mile south.  Nina Ruth Kuykendall, and her brother a couple of years older than I, were walking down the dirt road and a snake bit her.  They both screamed that she had just got snake bit.  Dad, Homer Benson, jumped into his wagon and team which was already hooked up and raced to them as fast as the team could run.  He ran them all the way to Ravia for treatment and saved her life. As for me, as a teenager there, I was ranked as a topnotch cotton picker at a penny per pound, black eyed pea picker on the thirds, dishwasher at Park's restaurant in Tishomingo for $5 per week and all the gizzards I could eat. What deals. Clark Caperton was a good family friend. We kids called him Mr. Yeah Yeah because as he listened to someone he would say yeah yeah.  I remember he was a compliment to Ravia as few others were during those wild years. My Benson grandfolks were old timers there even before the turn of the century.  My mom's mother was full blood Chickasaw from Pontotoc.  Gene Autry went to school there from the first year to the tenth grade.  His dad was in prison for cattle rustling when his mother died of malnutrition. Gene was singing on the radio at the time and called Earnest (Red) Field's son to please get his (Gene's) two sisters something to wear to the funeral. Red's son J. E. paid $16 for the clothes.  Previously to that when Gene was going to school, Red bought Gene a second hand guitar for a dollar.  That was the beginning of Gene's success story. My daughter is a doctor of Public Relations.  She recently returned from London where she taught at a branch of Oxford University.  While there, she went to a Protestant and Catholic meeting in Belfast, Ireland.  The Irish as usual almost got into a fight while arguing.  On the outside in the hall was a chalk board.  On the way out my daughter wrote, "I am Chickasaw Indian from Oklahoma.  Instead of arguing and fighting, we Chickasaws sit on a big flat rock with a peace pipe and blow smoke to the four winds and leave as the best of friends. Thanks Butch and Jill for reviving my young years." ejb@nethere.com
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Q. "Rural Schools.  I would like to have a map of the rural schools of Grady County."

A. Below are maps showing the rural schools of Garvin County and Stephens County, Oklahoma in about 1925. -Patricia Adkins-Rochette, prochette@Juno.com  www.bourlandcivilwar.com

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/OKGarvinCoSchoolsmapFeb082007.pdf

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/OKStephenCoSchoolsFeb072007.pdf


"My name is John Gow.  jag25_136@hotmail.com  I lived in Ardmore and went to junior high and high school there in the late 60s and early 70s, though I haven't lived in Ardmore for many years. I learned of your publication from a man in Australia, Ron McFarlane, while talking with him about railroads in Ardmore in the 1960s. He is a big fan of the Santa Fe Railroad through the Pauls Valley and Ardmore area and has been creating a model railroad in its image. In high school I was likewise a big fan of the railroads in Ardmore (or anywhere, for that matter) and had taken a lot of photos of trains in the area at that time. I told him as much as I could remember of what the railroad operations were like at the time, and also sent him some of my photos. He told me of your publication and said you might be interested in seeing the photos as well, so here are a few. If you're interested I have more. Some info on the photos:

1) This is Santa Fe's southbound Texas Chief, arriving at the Ardmore station in 1971. The Texas Chief was a passenger train that ran daily between Chicago and Houston. It had a baggage car, chair cars, sleeping cars, a full lounge car (what the Santa Fe called a "Big Dome Lounge", as it had a glass bubble top and you sat up inside the dome, almost like you were sitting on top of the train), and a full-service dining car serving breakfast, lunch, and dinner. The southbound train was scheduled to arrive in Ardmore about 11:30am. This station still stands of course, and now serves Amtrak's Heartland Flyer. To the left of the train in the parking lot you can see the beginning of a grass median. This was actually a rose garden, maintained for many years by the Ardmore Garden Club, as an enhancement for travelers arriving and departing Ardmore.

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/ATSF15Ardmore1971_1.jpg

2) Here is another view of the southbound Texas Chief coming into Ardmore in 1971. This photo was taken looking north from the MLK Viaduct, though at that time it was called the 5th Street Viaduct. There is a northbound freight train on the right waiting for the passenger train to pass before it moves out onto the mainline to continue to Oklahoma City and beyond.

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/SantaFeTrain1971_2.jpg

3) Here is the northbound Texas Chief in the Ardmore station, stopping on its way to Oklahoma City, Wichita, Kansas City, and Chicago. The passenger cars are Santa Fe's "Hi-Level Chair Cars", a 2 story type of car with an upstairs and a downstairs. Amazingly these durable, comfortable cars are still in use on Amtraks' Heartland Flyer which continues to serve Ardmore today. The northbound train was scheduled to arrive in Ardmore about 3:15pm.

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/ATSF16Ardmore_3.jpg

4) This is Santa Fe's branchline freight train that ran from Ardmore to Healdton and Ringling. The train is shown leaving Ardmore in March 1971 westbound to Healdton and has just crossed Sunset road on the southwest side of Ardmore.  At this time the little train ran 2 times a week, on Tuesday and Saturday. The new Uniroyal Tire Plant (at this time it was brand new) is about a mile and a half ahead and is still served by this rail line, though the line beyond the tire plant to Healdton and Ringling was abandoned long ago.

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/ATSFHealdtonMarch1971_4.jpg

5) This is a photo of a Frisco Railroad freight train, a rare sight in Ardmore. The Frisco had a branch line that ran to Ardmore from Durant and Madill. It had passenger service until 1953, with a small passenger train running daily between Ardmore and Hugo, Oklahoma. That was a distant memory however, even at the time of this photo, 1971, when the line saw little use. This train is facing south and is shown in south Ardmore. The Blue Bonnet Grain elevators are about a mile behind, and the train has just crossed Washington Ave, just south of where Washington intersects with Stanley.

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/SLSFFreightArdmore1971_5.jpg

6) This is the Frisco Railroads' Freight Depot, shown in 1988 when I was in Ardmore for a visit several years after the Frisco abandoned its line to Ardmore. I believe the building was used by a plumbing company for awhile, but it has since been torn down. It's too bad, as it had a classic late 19th century railroad architecture style. In the extreme right side of the photo you can see the red roof of the main Ardmore depot, which serves Amtraks' Heartland Flyer.

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/FriscoFreightDepotArdmore1988_6.jpg

7) The Frisco depot was on the first street that runs parallel to the railroad tracks one block west of the existing Ardmore depot. It's been awhile so I'm struggling a little with the street name. I think it is Caddo Street, and the freight depot was on the east side of the street, just south of where it intersects with Broadway. It was torn down some time in the early 90s. I've included another pic of it from a different angle, taken at the same time as the other in 1988.

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/FriscoFreightDepotArdmore1988_7.jpg


Google's hidden features.

http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=675528&seqNum=15&rl=1


Since I missed putting the links to the pics in last week's T&T, here this one is again:

"Butch, Thanks to you and Larry Wilcox for information about the Russett website.    My great grandparents lived in Ravia where my ggfather, Dr T.A. Caperton was a dentist. Dr. Caperton's daughter, my maternal grandmother (Fleeta Caperton), was first a student and then a teacher at Russett, IT.   Fleeta's brother, Joe, also taught school in Oklahoma and also in California.   In 1912, Fleeta married Clem Kuykendall, who was a section line foreman for the Frisco Railroad.  They continued to live in Ravia for many years and raised a family of seven children.  Several of the Caperton descendants still live in Ravia area.

 
I have attached two photos:
 
1.  Ravia - Frisco Railroad Section Line Crew dated 1912.  From left to right:  Bob Cleghorn, Clem Kuykendall, Bill Mansker, Newton Stanley and Bill Duvall.
 
2.  Fleeta Caperton Kuykendall's class at Russett, IT dated April 3, 1911.  Some of children listed in the photo are:  Frankie Dewbree, John O'connor, Rollen Cumbry, Bud Wagoner, Pate, Huges, Jimmie Glass, Reggie Hughes, Maudie Jones, Jewell Morgan, Dona Glass, Clare Moore, Oran Dewbree, Elsie Hughes, Ola Montgomery, Dice Whitefield, Mattie Jones, Lilly Morgan, Claud Huges, Dewey Montgomery, Blanche Allen, Clyde Allen, Emma Hughes, Emma Morgan, Talitha Allen, Arvel Quick,  Stanley Moore, Emma Jones, Cordie Allen, Clieve Allen, Hayes O'connor, Tompie Wagoner and Eugene Hughes.
 
I have a third photo dated February 1902 of my grandmother, Fleeta Caperton, when she was a student at Russett, but it is terribly damaged and did not scan clearly.  The photographer was listed as Schlueter Studio, Mansville, Indian Territory.  The names of 40 children are listed on the back including Fleeta's siblings." -Clark and Ruth Caperton.

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/Caperton1911a.jpg

http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/FriscoSectionCrew1927a.jpg
Might pass this link along to the Caperton clan.  We might have some common ancestors. Antonia Kuyrkendall-Hoard (pg 538) is my ggm. More by searching (google or otherwise) on this phrase:

"History of the Kuykendall Family by G. B. Kuykendall"

Thanks. -Garth Hoard

http://www.kjvuser.com/kuykendallzip.htm


"Thanks for the pictures from Lake Murray...reliving my youth thru them!  Do you remember (or was it still there when you were growing up) between the beach and the marina (which wasn't there in the 50s) on a hill was where we all went to eat when we spent the day at the lake.....They had the best hamburgers in the world...... Don't get 'em like that anymore........You and Jill keep making these day trips....... fun to look at the pictures!!!"  -danna
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"Butch, I?ve never looked at your site before today. My great-grandmother Stella Alkire passed away this past weekend. I grew up with her on Prairie Valley Road until I left for college in 1990. I am a graduate of Plainview High School. I?m not sure why I?m telling you this other than I just wanted to let you know about an important piece of Ardmore history. Stella ?Mamaw? Alkire was born in Overbrook, Indian Territory on November 27th, 1904. She lived at Rt3 Box12 Prairie Valley Road from July 1946 until last weekend. She was an amazing woman and will be sorely missed. Part of her story is chronicled in a Carter County history book that was published several years ago. Thanks." -Mike Bosley http://ardmoreite.com/stories/020507/obits_39834.shtml
"Rock creek this morning at Sulphur.  Beautiful.  I just love a running clear creek." -Doug Williams http://www.OklahomaHistory.net/ttphotos7a/RockCreekSulphur07.jpg
Question:  "Butch, Any details of the Rail Road that went thru Tishomingo and on east to somewhere, the old right of ways shows up from highway split to Madill and hiway east to Tish., I dont find it listed shown on maps I have, The right of way shows in north part of Tish....another right of way vanishing is the old line to Ringling , and the line from Chickasha to Pauls Valley...during 20-30's'' it was the "broomcorn special" with a Doodlebug gas passenger motorcar........... old RW 's areas are nostalgic items for me with the cuts, relic telegraph poles (thats left)  and sometimes a relic trestle.....good painting subjects."

 

Answer:   "The line that went through Tishomingo was the Chicago, Rock Island, and Pacific (aka "Rock Island"), and was built off their mainline that ran from Memphis through Oklahoma City to New Mexico. The line you're asking about left that mainline at Wilburton and went SW through Tish, Russett, and Mannsville to Ardmore. The plan at the time was to continue on west to Waurika to connect with another Rock Island line, but that company never built farther west than Ardmore. A different railroad built the line to Healdton and Ringling. The Rock Island line never did well and was mostly abandoned in about 1940. The last few miles into Ardmore were sold to the Saint Louis and San Francisco Railroad (aka "Frisco") which also had a line running into Ardmore from the east, from Durant and Madill. The two railroads up to that time had shared the track for those last few miles into Ardmore, and the Frisco acquired complete ownership of it. That line lasted until I think 1976. That old right of way shows up in the terrain in some places too. If you know where the railroad depot in Ardmore is, there's a little bit of history there that few people know about. On the opposite side of the depot from where the current train tracks are is another door into the stations' old waiting room. Over that door is the corporate herald of the Rock Island Railroad cast in concrete, a railroad that has been gone since before WWII, so long most people in Ardmore have no memory of it.

There are a couple of great Oklahoma railroad maps from the early 20th century at this website:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/okprojects/xref/rr-maplinks.html

-John Gow



 

With all the snow in the country this week (thankfully none here in Ardmore) I thought back to one of my favorite singers and the first song she produced that put her on the road to stardom. Anne Murray came out with Snowbird in 1970 and I remember her being the guest entertainer at the Ardmore Shrine Club Rodeo a couple years later. Does any one else remember her singing at the Hardy Murphy Coliseum or did I dream it (or wished it)  lol ???

 

Snow Bird by Anne Murray 1970

 

Beneath this snowy mantle cold and clean
The unborn grass lies waiting
for its coat to turn to green
The snowbird sings a song he always sings
And speaks to me of flowers
that will bloom again in spring
When I was young my heart was young then too
Anything that it would tell me,
that's the thing that I would do
But now I feel such emptiness within
For the thing that I want most in life
Is the thing I can't win
Spread your tiny wings and fly away
And take the snow back with you
Where it came from on that day
The one I love forever is untrue
And if I could you know
that I would fly away with you
The breeze along the river seems to say
That he'll only break my heart again
should I decide to stay
So little snowbird take me with you when you go
To that land of gentle breezes
where the peaceful waters flow

Spread your tiny wings and fly away
And take the snow back with you
Where it came from on that day
The one I love forever is untrue
And if I could you know
that I would fly away with you
yah if I could, you know that I would fly away with you

See everyone next week!

Butch and Jill Bridges
Nashobish Ikana
PO Box 2
Lone Grove, Oklahoma 73443


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