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Vol 12  Issue 598     Circulation 5,000      July 10, 2008

PO Box 11

Ardmore, Oklahoma 73402

email address:  butchbridges@oklahomahistory.net

Toll Free Number in Oklahoma:  580-215-4333


Ardmoreite Don Lewis brought by some interesting artifacts from the past.  Last week we talked about the old Fort Arbuckle property west of Davis being for sale. Don was lucky enough about 15 or 20 years ago to go metal detecting there and found several dozen articles in the ground from the fort's past.  This week Don asked me if I knew the details on the lead bullets he found, and I didn't.  But, I just knew Ron Taylor at Wilson, Oklahoma would know.  Sure enough, Ron knew exactly what time period these bullets were used.  Come to find out they are what is called a 3 ring mini ball fired from a musket. There are two kinds, 3 ring bullets were issued by the Union, and the Confederate soldiers used 2 ring lead bullets.  Don found the 3 ring type on the grounds of old Fort Arbuckle. I would bet a hamburger the bullets Don found were shot in a 1861 U.S. Rifle Musket.

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Thanks Don for sharing your find with everyone, and a thank you to Ron for the history lesson on Civil War lead bullets.

A Reader this week was seeking any info on a Ingram School out in western Carter county, and if it was the same as a school by the name of 'Section 15'. Has anyone heard of these two schools and where they were located?  Maybe they are one in the same?

Another Reader wrote in inquiring where the outlaw and killer Jim Webb is buried.  Jim Webb was killed at Woodford by Marshal Bass Reeves.  Maybe someone out there can fill us in on Jim Webb's burial spot?

I do find a James D. Webb b. 25 OCT 1853 d. 17 JUN 1910 in the Bill Hamm cemetery archives as buried at Rosehill here in Ardmore.  But I don't think this could be the same Jim Webb since Bass Reeves died about 5 months earlier.

We have all heard the phrase "don't take any wooden nickels".  There have been several meanings to this phrase, and it seems no one knows exactly when or how the phrase started.  Here in Oklahoma the phrase "don't take any wooden nickels" meant to watch out, and don't get ripped off or cheated. As I think back over the years, that is exactly what happened to me several times, but I didn't even get a wooden nickel.   lol

I know for the past 50 or 75 years from companies to civic organizations to special events, wooden nickels have been used to promote their purpose.  Through the years many of those wooden nickels have grown to be valuable, finding them only in wooden nickel museums and with collectors.  In 1931, cities in the state of Washington issued wooden coins when their money failed thanks to the Great Depression. Wooden nickels have been made in later years and in different places. Not long ago a set of three wooden nickels from Clarksdale, Mississippi was going for over $50 on eBay. Those "Support Our Troops" wooden nickels produced today may be collectibles someday too. Clearly, to a collector, a wooden nickel rare coin value can be more than the coin's five cent face value.

I can't recall ever seeing a wooden nickel with Ardmore, Oklahoma on it, but Rick Feiler had some made as an advertisement for his coin shop here in Ardmore.  Who knows what one may be worth years from now.  If  you would like to have one of Rick's wooden nickels just give him a call if your in Ardmore and stop by his coin shop on B SW to pick up one.  If you live out of town, just send Rick a "self-addressed stamped-envelope" and Rick will mail you one:  Rick Feiler, #2 A Street SW, Ardmore, OK 73401. Rick only has a couple hundred, if you want one, let him know soon.  rnif@cableone.net

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If I were an artist, I'd travel out southwest of Ardmore on Myall Road about a 1/2 miles west of Plainview School, set up a easel and canvas, open my oils, dip my brush and paint this picturesque old tin barn. It's quite beautiful.

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I know some of you are like me and have dozens of passwords to keep up with on the computer and internet.  A password for this, a password for that, and after a while, you can't remember them all.  Especially if its been months since you logged in.  A couple of weeks ago I found a freeware program called Billeo that will keep track of those IDs and Passwords, and when you go to a webpage, Billeo will auto-fills them for you, all you have to do is click Go.  The program is 3 programs in 1......  Bill Pay, Shopping Assistant, and Password Assistant.  I am only using the free password assistant program. Billeo puts another Tool Bar on your webpage, taking up another 3/8 of an inch of your screen, but its worth it for the convenience.  You have a log out Tab so when some else is on your computer, they have to enter the master Billeo password to turn the program on and use it. If you have lots of passwords to remember when on the internet, this is a great program.

http://www.billeo.com/

Visit the Oklahoma History Boards, start a topic if you want too!

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Q.  What circus used to winter in Ringling?
A.  Ringling Brothers Circus

Q.  What is Oklahoma's state tree?
A.  (answer in next week's T&T)

Some mail from this week's MAILBAG.....

"Does anyone have you any information on a gunfighter named T. M. Sanders, 1/4 Cherokee, born in Texas about 1875. He died in Ely, Nevada on October 13, 1907 in a shoot-out with Edwin Gilbert. He was reportedly involved in a train robbery at Ardmore, Indian Territory about 1904. I have been unable to find the train robbery."  -R. Michael Wilson
"In the Oklahoma Attorney General's office building there is a monumental painting of Bass Reeves hanging as part of a triptych painted by a Robert Taylor. The other two famous Oklahoma lawmen depicted are Quanah Parker and James Franklin "Bud" Ledbetter. The painting occupies one wall of the building's lobby.

Robert Taylor is one of Oklahoma's finest artists who has work hanging in the Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian. He also has works hanging in collections at the University of Oklahoma, the University of Arkansas, and the Cape Girard, Missouri Trail of Tears Museum.

I encourage anyone interested in Oklahoma history to visit the building which is just west of the state capital at 313 N. E. 21st Street. There is free parking at the front of the building.

I've attached 2 photos. The first is of the triptych on the day it was dedicated in 2006. The second photo is of Robert Taylor with one of his painting." -Monroe Cameron
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"Friend of mine was paid to clean out a lady's attic in some of the  things he found these post cards from the era of 1936 thought you might find them interesting, now these being post cards am not sure of the date the pic was taken."

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"I remember when I used to help Mom hang out laundry on Mondays -  sometimes in the winter when the clothes froze before you could get them straight on the line.  It always surprised me that they would dry, but they did.  When it rained we had a clothes line in the attic.  The clothes dried up there, but more slowly because there was not much air circulation and what there was was always damp because of the rain.  When we first moved into my house here in Ardmore we had a clothes line, but the posts finally rotted off at the ground line and I used the top part of the clothes line post to make a T-post driver. As one would say "a lot of water under the bridge since them days".   But oh, what wonderful memories in a much simpler time."  -Michael D.
"Butch and Jill, Just returning from a few days vacation in East Texas area,  we spent the first night at Tyler Texas, and went on from there to Palestine, TX, where we visited the Texas Art Depot, store.  It's definitely worth the trip to see, I bought me a Rhythm Clock, a must see!
http://www.texasartdepot.com/ps-6971-3217-brilliance.aspx

And from there we traveled on to Athens TX, and there I found the following information for you.  Athens TX, Home of the first hamburger. Very pretty, friendly town.

http://www.hamburgerhome.com/

http://www.athenstx.org/

Then from there we went to Canton TX, and saw the largest trade day, flea market, I've ever seen. we were a day early, and the whole town spoke of how that small town of about 5,000 turns into a town of over 25,000+, it's the first weekend before the first Monday.  We were totally amazed at the size of the place, over 200 acres, of venders!! Amazing, and we weren't even there for trade day frenzy!!

http://www.cantontradedays.com/

Definitely worth the drive, and we'll probably be going back, but the talk is, call in advance and get your rooms rented, that motel rooms as far as Athens are booked in advance. They have a RV park there also, so that would be worth the trip to pull your trailer down.  It sure looked like fun!!"  -Lee Thompson
"Hi Butch.  When I went on the Oklahoma History  I got today from you and saw where someone mentioned Puny Sparger, it brought a memory back. I looked on the marriage license. I have from my first husband, where we went to the Ardmore Courthouse to get married Aug. 6th 1956. Guess what! The justice of the peace that signed the License was called GW Sparger, or Judge Puny Sparger. I think that is the Puny Sparger that was mentioned in the newsletter I just got today. July 3rd. So I guess he was the (Judge) and justice of the peace who married couples back then at the Court House in Ardmore in 1956." -Bobbie (Wilson) Diiorio
"I thought I had seen a photo of the depot in Berwyn (now Gene Autry) attributed to you. I cannot find it . Do you have the url to find it again?"
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"Just a few years ago, I read in the Ardmoreite that a movie was being made about Marshal Bass Reeves, and some of the filming was done, or was to be done, in some small town around here; I think it might have been Troy.  I never saw anything else about it, and I had hoped I might get to see it some day. Does anyone know about this movie?"   -Pete Burch
"Does anyone know if Ingram Lane and Section 15 Schools are the same school?According to what I can find out about them, they were both located between Zaneis and Healdton."  -Mindy Taylor
Museum Memories by Melinda Taylor
The Ringling Road
The Ringling Road was the railroad line that started in Ardmore and went across Southern Oklahoma to Lawton. The name of the railroad company was the Oklahoma, New Mexico and Pacific Railway Co. and the company was controlled by John Ringling of the famous Ringling Brothers, Barnum and Bailey Circus.
Construction on this new line began on May 1, 1913 in Ardmore, OK. The line passed through Lone Grove, Hewitt and New Wilson with the end of the line being finished in Ringling by January of 1914.

At first it was thought the depot for this area would be in the town of Hewitt. At the time, Hewitt was a thriving community with a school, a bank, a newspaper and several churches along with a dozen or so businesses, but the Hewitt plan did not work out. The depot was, instead, established in "New Wilson", which was named after John Ringling's secretary, Charles Wilson.

New Wilson was quickly platted and lots sold rapidly. The people of Hewitt had the foresight to see a greater potential for commerce in New Wilson and most of them literally picked up and moved their homes and businesses to New Wilson.

To add to the excitement of a new railroad line, a new town and a new depot, the oil fields had just begun to boom in Carter County. The Ringling Road, which was originally planned for the purpose of serving farmers in the area, was soon serving the oil companies as well.

By January 11, 1914 Wilson had a population of 800 people, but even more mules and horses. The mules and horses served as teams to transport oil field pipe and equipment from the train to the outlying oil fields. There were approximately 500 teams of mules and horses in or near Wilson that were used for this purpose.

One Hot Summer Day (author unknown)

Look outside
It's a gorgeous day,
I think all the children
Should go out and play.

The sun is shining
It's so hot outside,
The metal monkey bars are burning
And so is the enormous slide.

From that stroll we just went on
I'm exhausted, I must go rest,
For those very tired feet of mine
I am sure that will be the best.

Now that the day is over the children still ask,
"Can we play with just one more toy?",
"Tomorrow is another day", I tell them
"Another day to enjoy."

See everyone next week!

Butch and Jill Bridges
Nashobish Ikana
PO Box 11
Ardmore, Oklahoma 73402

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