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Vol 13  Issue 623     Circulation 5,000      January 1, 2009

PO Box 11

Ardmore, Oklahoma 73402

email address:  butchbridges@oklahomahistory.net

580-657-8616 (not a toll free number)


Over the years there has been numerous mentions in T&Ts of the caves near Turner Falls, such as Wild Woman Cave, Crystal Cave, Wagon Wheel Cave, Bitter Enders Cave and others.  This week I started a webpage just for info and photos of these particular caves in near Turner Falls in southern Oklahoma.  What prompted me to create the webpage on caves is someone wrote in this week asking if anyone knew exactly where Wild Woman Cave is located.  Here it is in his own words:

"Mr. Bridges, I was doing a search for web references to Wild Woman Cave and ran across your mailbag item from your November 2008 edition of your newsletter on Wild Woman Cave. I remembered running across materials about a cave system my grandfather had helped survey and make somewhat accessible to the public back in the 50's. I found the name of the cave "Wild Woman Cave, Murray County, Oklahoma". I understand this is near Ardmore, but is there any way of finding out specifically where the cave is located? I have the original survey specs that were created and have run across numerous photos of spelunking expeditions and attempts to open it to the public. Any help would be appreciated." -Mike Jones

Below is the link to my Turner Falls area caves webpage.

http://www.oklahomahistory.net/turnerfallscaves.html

Derek Helmke ran across any unusual piece of Carter county history so to speak south of Wilson, Oklahoma this week. I guess one would could call it a bridge, the sign does say "Weight Limit 3 Tons".  It's probably a remnant of the oil field days. Here is Derek's email in his own words:

"2.3 miles south of U.S. Highway 70A on State Highway 76 is Chism Lane.  This bridge is just a few hundred feet off of 76 to the west and I don't remember ever crossing one like this anywhere else.  My guess is that it was a temporary bridge that was left to be permanent.  I didn't see any markings on the steel.  There is no houses to the west.  My patrol car is on the west side facing east for reference.  This bridge is definitely not for rookie drivers.  I should have taken a pic with the Crown Victoria on the bridge itself.  The full size car was barely wide enough to straddle the center opening.  I got out and looked before going all the way onto it and only about 2/3 of each sides tires were making contact. It had a small creek running under it.  Below the metal portion of the bridge it looks like a normal one lane wooden bridge but instead of the normal wood plank portion to drive on, it has that metal structure with the wood on top of it.  The road goes about 1/8 west off of SH 76 before it is locked up with gates.  There was no houses that I could see on that little road.  I have been here for five years and I decided I should drive that road since I have been on just about every other one in the county and I am glad I did.  It really is cool to look at in person."

http://www.oklahomahistory.net/ttphotos9a/BridgeSouthOfWilson8a.jpg

http://www.oklahomahistory.net/ttphotos9a/BridgeSouthOfWilson8b.jpg

Now, the other interesting thing as a follow up on this old bridge of sorts, is when I went to google maps and typed in Wilson, OK it showed Wilson as SE of Wapanuka, Oklahoma.   But wait, it gets better.  When I went to mapquest.com and did a search for Wilson, Oklahoma up popped 3 of them.  One in western Carter county, which we are all aware of, one southeast of Wapanucka, and another Wilson southwest of Okmulgee, Oklahoma.  But none of them displayed the "old" city of Wilson southeast of Ardmore near Lake Murray.  And to top it all off, none of the websites showed the new road names on their maps, so I had to get out my handy dandy Carter county map and scan the Wilson/Healdton section so everyone can see just where south of Wilson this so called bridge is located.

http://www.oklahomahistory.net/ttphotos9a/BridgeSouthOfWilsonMap.jpg

Cecil Elliott sent in a couple of grave marker photos of two people (of four) who were hanged in Ada, Oklahoma back in 1909.  Cecil and Herman Kirkwood took the photographs in 1997. Outlaws Jesse West and Joe Allen are buried in the Texas panhandle town of Mobeetie.

http://www.oklahomahistory.net/ttphotos9a/JesseAllenGraveMarker.jpg

http://www.oklahomahistory.net/ttphotos9a/JoeAllenGraveMarker.jpg

The Infamous Mollie Brennan is also buried in the Mobeetie cemetery. She was killed in a shooting incident involving Bat Masterson and Corporal King in 1876.

Back before 1940 my mother's family was in contact with our kinfolks in Altoona, Pennsylvania. My maternal great great grandparents were born in Altoona around 1850, but for reasons I don't know, our family here in Oklahoma lost contact with them around 1930 to 1940.  So this week I decided to do something unusual and hopefully re-establish contact to kin in PA. Who knows, when the google robot indexes the webpage over the next few days, maybe someday someone will do a search for the surname Carmon or Jacobs or Port from PA and google will be point them my way.

http://www.oklahomahistory.net/JacobsCarmonPort.htm

Last week I talked about our bird feeder and those pesky squirrels scampering up the 1 inch pipe with ease.  To stop the squirrels I surrounded the 1 inch pipe with about a 6 ft tall 4 inch PVC pipe, and that did the trick.  Its been over a week and nary a squirrel has been able to get to the bird feeder. We have seen as many as 5 redbirds (cardinals) eating at once, blue jays, robins, crows, and of course sparrows. In the picture below you will see the bird feeder at the left end of a 1 inch piece of conduit (painted black) and the other end there is nothing.  My plan is to attach our hummingbird feeder on the right side of the conduit when they return in Spring, providing hummingbirds and the other birds can co-exist when eating 3 feet apart?

http://www.oklahomahistory.net/ttphotos9a/BirdFeeder010109.jpg

http://www.birdsofoklahoma.net/photogaly.htm

There are over 400 webpages on my OklahomaHistory.net website. Of all those webpages, I don't think any have received more hits than the "hanging tomatoes upside down' webpage. I would never have imagined the interest (and emails) from all of the world my Page on growing tomatoes would bring. It goes to show one never knows what others will be interested in.

http://www.oklahomahistory.net/tomatos.html

Ten cheapest places to buy gas in the Ardmore area......

http://www.oklahomahistory.net/gasprices.html

There are new postings.  Check out the Oklahoma History Boards!

http://oklahomaroots.proboards83.com/

Q.   What/where is Oklahoma's state monument?
A.    The Golden Driller in Tulsa

Q.   What governor sometimes depended on astrology?
A.    (answer in next week's T&T)

Some mail from this week's MAILBAG.....

"Hi Butch. I came across your site while looking for info regarding hanging tomatoes. I just received a hanging kit for Christmas from a relative and I figure it probably cost them about $30.00. Well, after I put it up I got to thinkiní that I could make one a lot cheaper. I went and purchased two reusable grocery sacks (the material is identical to the store bought kit) for a $1.00 apiece. Then I bought a 55 quart bag of Lamberts potting soil for $10.00. Throw in two Home Depot five gallon bucket lids at $1.00 each and two Celebrity tomato plant starters at $1.25 each. Toss in a couple of scoops of Osmocote that I had layiní around and thatís it. Total cost for the two, $16.50. Below is a link to a video of my garden and the hanging tomatoes. I live in sunny south Florida so I start my garden around November when the threat of hurricanes has passed. I was gonna make a video of me making the homemade kits but I probably would have gotten the camera all dirty, haha. Hope you enjoy." -Bullseye in Florida

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qja6TZTl1SY


"Hello Butch.  As you know part of the old Sunset school was made into a museum and they really did a nice job of it.  I read in the Healdton paper recently that the rest of the old building including the old auditorium, the west classrooms and the galley are to be torn down.  When driving by afterwards I noticed the doors were open so I went in and took several pictures of the old place.  It is a mess as you can imagine, but I could still see myself there and the friends and teachers from 50 years ago.  It was actually a little spooky to walk through there all these years later."

http://www.oklahomahistory.net/ttphotos9a/SunsetSchool1923.jpg


"Butch, I am hoping that someone may be able to help me locate a picture. It was a picture that my grandparents had in the room where I always stayed. It is just sentimental. There is a possibility that it was on a calendar. It would have been from the late 50's or early 60's. It was of a boy sitting in front of a store with his dog. The sign said dog food was a nickel. It showed his money laid out and he did not have enough. It is not a Rockwell. Any information would sure be appreciated." -Brenda Pool  mbpool@brightok.net
"Butch, I talked with Ollie Taylor from Oklahoma City, this week and he said that pipes went to the boilers to heat the green house. He said they raised flowers and plants for florist across southern Oklahoma, He was a florist for Scott's back in the mid 50's and that boiler was there way before the Scotta's bought the company." -Terry http://www.oklahomahistory.net/ttphotos8a/Tower100_H_NWa.jpg
"The cotton Gin was located in the area where the Dollar General store is now located which is in the building that was once occupied by Humpty Dumpty grocery store. The cotton Gin predated all of the above. The stack you mentioned was a part of the complex that Mr. Woerz of the Woerz Nursery had built but much later became the Scotta's Nursery." -Ernest Martin
"Butch, There is a book out," Historical Atlas of Oklahoma" by John W. Morris, that I have not yet seen but intend to purchase. There is an article on it in the January issue of Family Motor Coach. Quoting them, "Nearly 120 topics explore the geology, natural science, military, politics and culture of Oklahoma, among other subjects.  Each topic is illustrated with maps that include legends, graphs and tables.  The atlas contains 173 color maps; more than 100 color illustrations; and 286 thick, glossy pages." End of the Trail of Tears, maps and routes of the six land rushes that birthed the term "Sooners", Oil Boom, etc. Should provide some interesting reading for Oklahoma history buffs.  Can't wait to get my hands on one (4th edition)." -Jim Bridges

http://www.oklahomahistory.net/ttphotos9a/HistoricalAtlasOfOklahoma.jpg

Abe Books search


The Cat and the Crow. Video lasts 7 minutes. . . but it's a really neat seven minutes!
http://www.slide.com/r/hD6DvyAOxD9ClUhvUpVcUMABW9QzpGnQ
Life Images Hosted by Google http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2008/11/24/life-images-hosted-by-google/
"For all of you who does not know, this is my SISTER, and she has written a book. We're very proud of her. If you haven't gotten a book, or if you want to get one. please contact me, I'll be glad to get you a signed copy. The books are $17.00 and well worth the cost. Give me a call at 580 229 0413 or email me. and I'll get you a book. Hope you enjoy her book. We're excited to see where this takes her." -Lee Thompson, Healdton  thompson73438@att.net

http://www.ardmoreite.com/homepage/x512367757/-Who-Needs-Girls


"Hi Butch and Jill: Hope you've had a wonderful Christmas Day in my favorite state, OK! I was reading your newsletter and saw that you had fixed your squirrel problem. Here in California, around several redwood trees we have several families of squirrels. My husband bought me a beautiful bird feeder and we battled with the squirrels until we heard how to fix the problem. We got an old fashioned children's toy called a Slinky, the metal one that can walk down stairs if you start it just right.  We took two of the Slinkys and put them up the middle of the pipe that held the bird feeder. It worked like a charm and it sure has been fun watching the squirrels trying to get up the Squirrel proof Slinky. I know you've already fixed the problem, but if you ever put up another feeder, try the Slinky touch. It really works. Happy Holidays from San Jose, CA." -JoAnn Ricks

H A P P Y   N E W   Y E A R !

"Christmas Auld Lang Syne" by Bobby Darin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-DFZbOAiUM

See everyone next week!

Butch and Jill Bridges
Nashobish Ikana
PO Box 11
Ardmore, Oklahoma 73402

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