This and That Newsletter
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Vol 16  Issue 828      Circulation 5,000       December 6, 2012

PO Box 11

Ardmore, Oklahoma 73402

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D. Allen Wint stopped by this week and handed me a neat piece of Ardmore history.  As most of you who have lived in this area any length of time, D. Allen has been in the food catering business here since the early 60s. What D. Allen found when going through some of his stuff was a menu from his catering service when it was located in the old Tom Cooper Farms Diary and Restaurant building on West Broadway. This would have been 1960 and 1961.  The building burned in 1982 when it was being remodel for the new Southwestern Bell Telephone headquarters. The DHS (Department of Human Services) is now located on the property in the 900 block of West Broadway. I either don't remember or didn't know that the old Tom Cooper building had a basement and it was known as the Party Room. In fact, I barely remember getting ice cream there, but I do remember all those flavors, and how hard it was to pick one when you're a kid.

D. Allen's 10 page menu gives us a glimpse of food prices in the 60s, and how inflation has taken its toll on our pocket books through the years as far as eating out goes. This PDF file is about 1 megabyte in size, so give it a minute to load.

On certain days of the week, mornings, you will find a certain Salvation Army Bell Ringer at the Ardmore Post Office. Now this lady has the Christmas spirit! She may be one of the most awesome SA bell ringers in the United States, and she's found right here in Ardmore.  When she starts her shift, she goes 4 hours straight non-stop until noon. All SA bell ringers across the country could take a lesson from this lady! I love it! (Sorry the video is sideways.)

If  you down by the post office during these holidays, and see her out front, holler and say Hi, and please stop and put a few coins in the kettle, it's for a good cause.

The Chickasaw Nation Cultural Center in Sulphur, Oklahoma
offering great family entertainment with Holiday Event Christmas .
Here is a event planned:

Christmas Celebration, Saturday, December 8
Holiday lights and decorations will adorn the campus of the Chickasaw Cultural Center for its third annual Christmas Celebration, 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Saturday, Dec. 8. Celebrations of several significant holiday traditions are included in the event. Traditional Village tours, complete with hot chocolate, will be offered from 10-4 and a traditional Stomp Dance will take place in the village at 11 a.m. Santa Claus and Mrs. Claus will be on-hand for visits and photos 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. in the Anoli’ Theater Lobby. Feel free to take your own photos with cameras or iPhones for free. Printed pictures with Santa will be $5. Holiday sales will be offered all-day at cultural center retail shops.

Native American group Injunuity will be performing in the Anoli' Theater at 1:00pm on Saturday.

The Christmas movie Polar Express will be shown Dec. 7 at 1:00, Dec. 8 at 3:00, and Dec. 9 at 1:00 in the Anoli' Theater.

A Native American miniature ornament class is planned, as well as a children’s ornament workshop.

There is no charge for admission to the cultural center campus, village tours, stomp dance, or workshops.

Admission to the Chikasha Poya Exhibit Center is $6.

Several fun holiday movies will be featured at the Anoli’ Theater at 6:30 p.m. on Tuesday nights in December, including:
Dec. 11, It’s A Wonderful Life
Dec. 18, Elf
Movie tickets are $2 for children, $3 for adult or choose a $5 combo deal that includes soda, popcorn and movie ticket.

Itinerary of Saturday's events at several locations in the Chickasaw Nation.

North of Ardmore 12 miles is Springer, Oklahoma. In the SW corner of Highway 77 and Highway 53 (south end of Springer) is where the old Springer Airport used to be located. The only thing left today is the airplane hanger building now housing the Carter County District 1 Barn. Part of the old runway is used for drag racing. You can see the hanger in this old photograph below.

I'm down to the last hole in my belt buckle, will have to buy a new belt soon.

Oklahoma History Revisited by Larry Guthrie, Sulphur

Q.  Which plains Indian tribe was likely the deadliest for the white man?

A.  Kiowa. After the Kiowa moved south from the junction of the Jefferson, Madison and Gallatin forks, at the extreme head of the Missouri river they first fought and then made peace with the Comanche. In connection with the Comanche they carried on a constant war upon the frontier settlements of Mexico and Texas, extending their incursions as far south as Durango, Mexico. Among all the prairie tribes they were noted as the most predatory and blood thirsty, and have probably killed more white men in proportion to their number than any of the others.

They made their first treaty with the Government in 1837, and were put on their reservation jointly with the Comanche and Kiowa Apache in 1868. Their last out break was in 1874-75 with the Comanche, Kiowa Apache and Cheyenne. They were never very numerous and have been greatly reduced by war and disease. The Kiowa do not have the gentile system, and there is no restriction to intermarriage among the divisions, of which they have six. These tribal divisions in the order of the camp circle, from the entrance at the east southward:

Semat (Apache)

Q. Which of the frontier forts was the first in Oklahoma?

A. (answer in next week's T&T)

From This and That newsletter archives of December 4, 1998:

The last few issues of my T&T, several wrote about the train wreck near Wapanuka, Oklahoma when all the Texas Schlitz beer was scattered all over the tracks. Everyone said the accident happened in the Fall of 1961. Guess what? A resident of the Wapanuka, OK area who has been gone for 30 years (now in Oregon) has a photo of this infamous train wreck. Here it is, a one and only photo!

For whoever is interested, I think somebody still makes Grapette. I had one about five years ago. I think I found it in Tulsa. And for a decent substitute, DeKuyper's makes a liquor called Grape Smash, or something like that (you can't miss it, the label is bright purple and white and screams at you from fifteen feet away). Half of that and half Sprite tastes exactly like I remember Grapette to taste. It's not very high in alcohol, either, so the mixed drink is about as alcoholic as a glass of wine, or maybe even less. In any case, it's no trouble at all to have two. :)
"Butch, Read with interest , as usual, your news letter. I was very glad to hear that someone besides me loved and misses grapette. its been the better part of 45 years since I tasted one of those wonderful drinks. If anyone finds a source for them please have them let me know. Also another thing I lived and miss was Rex fruit jelly. Anyone know if they are still around? If so I would love to find some. I remember my mother serving hot biscuits and we always had plenty of Rex jelly. I remember with great fondness a lot of the places mentioned in your news letter. The Hamburger Inn, the Dew Drop Inn, the Stag Bar, Steels drug, Fedlers Pharmacy, the old Paramount theater, and the Ritz theater. I skated at the old rink that used to be at the old swimming pool out by the fair grounds."
"Dear Butch, Want to share with you a former industry in Ardmore. The way I became aware of it was: Several years ago while in Ardmore visiting and browsing in one of the Antique Malls I ran across a package of homemade Christmas ornaments. Inside the zip-lock bag was a hand-written note which read: "These ornaments were made by the NEUSTADT children and sold in their father's Hardware Store in 1945-1947" (I think these are the right dates, I have lost the note). Ornaments were so hard for us to get during the war the dates could have been earlier. The wire appears to be 24 or 26 gauge, painted barn red, and generously sprinkled with red glitter. The original satin ribbon ties, faded and frayed are 1/8" wide. Wanted to share with you how pretty they look on my antique feather tree. If you know or hear of any further information concerning these ornaments let me know."

"Hi Butch: Can you tell a little history of the Lazy S Ranch? When I was a 10, 11 year old I used to go to the church camp down near Turner Falls and they took us by church bus over to this ranch. They sat me up on top of this huge hereford and took my picture. I think of that event in my life every time I come home from Dallas or somewhere down that way and see that rock sign up on that hill."
"Just a comment about Grapette soda pop, as a kid that was my favorite beverage. I remember my dad taking us on drives to the Wichita Mountains, on warm Indian summer days. We would stop at a small country store, and get a cold soda pop, I always got a grapette. This country store, was located in Meers, Ok. And is now the home of the famous Meers Burger. We visited there about a year ago with my son and his family. I remembered well the country store that sold a few groceries, cigarettes and chewing tobacco. As we sat in this cafe waiting for our Meers Burgers I vividly remembered the creaking wooden floor as I walked to the pop machine which I suppose would be a collectable now, and retrieving a cold Grapette. I too have wondered what happened to this brand of soft drink? Is it no longer in existence or simply no distributors carrying it in this area?"
"Butch, someone wrote in and wanted to know about a town named 'Page" & how it got its name. Oklahoma Place Names by GEORGE H SHIRK = PAGE, in LeFlore County, 12 miles south of Heavner. Post office established April 6, 1896, named for William C. Page, prominent Choctaw."
"Hi Butch, One of the readers of T&T commented on the whereabouts of that great drink "Grapette". I was born in Ada, OK but my family moved to Santa Fe, New Mexico when I was 7 years old. Every summer, we would pack the family into the car (no air conditioning or Interstate Highways in those days) and drive to Tishomingo to visit my grandmother, Selena Thomas and my uncle, aunt and favorite cousins who lived there. One of my first official acts was to go to downtown Tishomingo and drink a Grapette and then buy firecrackers, neither of which were available in Santa Fe. (I used to drive my relatives and parents crazy popping firecrackers.) By the way, my grandmother, whom we called "Keke", was a former Johnson County clerk and lived right across the street (on the old jail side) of the court house for many, many years. Another favorite thing for my brother and sisters to do during those summer visits were to chase and capture fireflys on the courthouse grounds."

Gas prices today in the Ardmore area......

Check gas prices by town or zip code anywhere in U.S.

Some mail from this week's MAILBAG.....

"I am producing a documentary about helicopters and the National air show in 1956/1957 ? and wanted to make contact with anyone to see if they could point me in the right direction to find access to photos, programs, film footage, memorabilia etc. and NEWSPAPER ARTICLES that would of appeared in any of the newspapers at the time. If anyone could help or have any information that could be useful to me in finding contacts of people in which I can talk to that would be wonderful." -Cameron

"Hi Butch, That was an interesting video on the B-29. It goes right along with pictures that I sent you of the FI-FI B-29 at Wiley Post last month." -Cecil
Want to win $500 gift card to Walmart or a custom red and white iPhone!?! Buy a $1 raffle ticket here! Drawing Dec 15th, no need to be present to win. ALL Proceeds go to Ardmore middle school 8th grade Washington DC trip in May 2013. Thank you all for your support!
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"In the last week's T&T you mentioned District Judge John B. Ogden. He was a stern, learned jurist who was a credit to the bench. My favorite story of the old judge was when a young lawyer had a case before him that the judge dismissed. The young attorney was upset and asked: "Judge, I cannot understand how I can draft a case that would be dismissed at an early stage." The old judge studied the young lawyer for a moment and said "...young man, I've learned if you kill a sparrow in the spring it saves it a long, cold winter." -james clark, Ardmore
"I sure enjoy T&T and the article about Brown Springs. In the one picture I saw the image of a white person with bushy eyebrows and the other one by the tombstone I saw one that looked like a black person and then I ask my wife if she saw what I was looking at and she pointed to the right of the one I saw and it was another image and it was more distinguished to her than the one I saw and mine more to me than hers was. all I could make out on the one she saw was a open mouth with teeth showing. She said the one I was looking at to her was unclear but the other one was very visible to her. SPOOKY, I SAY SPOOKY."  -Cole in Bend, OR
Springer Christmas Parade – Saturday – December 8, 2012
Open to antique cars, bikes, ATVs, floats, walkers, tractors and horse groups. Entry fee is one new unwrapped toy. If you want to participate in the parade, please meet in the Springer School parking lot on the South side at 12:30 PM and the parade will start at 1:00 PM. Volunteers are welcome and greatly appreciated. Come and enjoy the parade and join everyone at the Community Center for refreshments and a visit with Santa after the parade.

"Butch, I happened upon your Arbuckle Caves webpage while trying to show my 94-year-old father some photos of the Arbuckles on my iPad. I'd like to add my account of what happened at Torture Cave in 1933 and 1965:

In 1933 my dad, Dean London, and his brother Ray, who were from Ringling, attended Camp Chapman, a long since abandoned Boy Scout camp on Deel Creek, about a mile upstream from where it empties into the Washita near Dougherty, OK. That year, the Scoutmaster took the troop into Torture Cave, located just off a side creek about a quarter mile from Camp. It may go by other names, but Dad said it was called Torture due to the cold water which had to be waded or swum. After what seemed like a mile in the cave, it apparently ended at a circular pool surrounded by rock. The Scoutmaster dove into the pool, returning within a minute, saying that there was more cave on the other side, but he would not let the Scouts try it due to the danger. My Dad always wondered about that other side. When I was 12, he took me on an Arbuckle hike which included Torture, but we only went in a few feet because we had no lights.

In 1965, when I was 19, I took a college buddy from OU to explore Torture. READERS---DO NOT DO WHAT WE DID!!! We told no one where we were going, and our spelunking equipment was 2 el-cheapo flashlights with plastic wrap held with rubber bands. We followed the cave, which fortunately had no side passages, for about a mile, then reached the circular pool. We found carvings on the rock there, including R.N.L. 1933. My uncle was Ray Neal London, so we figured we were at the right place. After much debating, I lost at rock-paper-scissors and so went first. After 20 to 30 seconds, I was about to turn around when I felt an air pocket. I came up in a huge cavern which went as far as my light would shine. I forgot to signal my friend, so suddenly he appeared, not too happy with me. We started into the new passage, and after about 50 yards my light started flickering. We made a hasty retreat, and about halfway back to the entrance, my friend's light started flickering. We made record time from that point, and the faint light from the entrance was a welcome sight indeed. We made it out with one light out and the other flickering. I still thank the Lord for protecting us from our folly.

I'd like to hear from anyone who has been to this cave, by whatever name, especially regarding how far the cave went on past the circular pool. Also, please say if you remember old Camp Chapman, which I think was abandoned in the 1940s. Thanks for the stories and for letting me share mine."  -Bruce London

"I was at Regan's ranch yesterday. (Rock-in-R Apler, Ok) He showed me a book he found after he bought the ranch some 20 years back. Its title is WHAT GOD HATH BLESSED By Jimy Brady Wood It is the family story of the Brady's written in 1979 I believe. I was just wondering if you had heard of it. I haven't got to read it yet, but I did see were its for sale on line. Below is one link to some Brady stuff."  -Gary
The Wilson Historical Museum is compiling information on all veterans for future books we plan on publishing to honor Wilsons' veterans as well as present day service men and women. If you are a veteran or a loved one of a veteran we would like to encourage you to donate your information to the book along with pictures, letters, postcards, articles, obituaries or stories.

At this time we are focusing on the Vietnam era: years ranging between 1960 and 1975.

If you were born in Wilson, went to school in Wilson, live or lived in Wilson, Hewitt, Dillard or Rexroat please visit our website at's_happening/military_service.php

You may fill the form out online or download it, print it out and mail it to the museum. All information is on our website. The deadline is December 31, 2012. Thank you for responding.

-Mindy Taylor
"I am looking for help finding info on a Floyd Jones. He was the son of Lewallen (AL) and Lelia Jones. He was said to have ran the Red Ball Cafe and then Mulkey Cafe. He had a daughter who started in early movies with Elvis Presley as a go go dancer. Any info on these people would be grateful. Thanks."  -Amy
"I made it this weekend and it is VERY close to what I remember, although it has been 48 years since I had it! Thanks!"  -Gary

Priddy's Parmesan Salad Dressing

by Lee Ola Day's recipe who worked at Priddy's

1 quart mayonnaise (real)
˝ cup fresh grated parmesan cheese
1/2cup American cheese
1 small can chopped black olives
1 small jar chopped pimento (optional)
˝ cup sweet pickle relish
2 tsp. Garlic (fresh grated)
1 small. Onion (finely chopped
1 Tbs paprika (more if you like)
2 or 3 Tbs milk (just to thin a little)
1 tsp black pepper

Mix all very well and store in container
in the refrigerator. Will keep for several
weeks. Use on salad or as a sauce on
burgers or fish

From Butch Bridges newsletter in 2001:  "My neighbor's dog (I call her Sweetpea) who had silver dollar size rough spots on her elbows looked like a million bucks after 30 days on fish oil. But she was not dumb, she'd eat all her dog food and leave the capsule. I had to pierce the capsule and squeeze the fish oil into her food, trying not to get it on my fingers and smell like fish for 3 days. lol

Here is another 'home' remedy I tried over 10 yrs ago on Sweetpea and it worked a miracle.... About a month ago my dog, well she's not really my dog, but my neighbor's, but since she spends as much time at my house as theirs, I call her "my dog". Anyway a month ago she had a "hot spot" on her tail end, and licked it so much it was raw. I tried everything, and everything I put on the sore, she'd lick it off. Finally I decided to try some Noxzema Skin Cream and guess what? She didn't lick that awful tasting stuff but once. hahaha. And I can report the sore has completely healed up!

"Butch, my cousin found this on a tree in her yard, does anyone know what this is?"

A. They are called the Wheel Bug, here is the info on them.

Every Time a Bell Rings an Angel Gets His Wings

See everyone next week!
Butch and Jill Bridges
Nashobish Ikana
PO Box 11
Ardmore, Oklahoma 73402

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